Craps Betting System

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Playinnow
I recently watched the Wizard of Odds videos detailing how he plays the Don't Pass/Don't Come bets. I have been trying the system at a free online site and wonder if there isn't a point at which you stop the process of betting Don't Come, seems that when there is a hot shooter you are constantly repeating the Don't Come bets and eventually lose. Is there a limit to how many times a shooter hits a number that I should then stop Don't Come bets?
Thanks still looking for the advantage.
wrongway

The best craps strategy is to learn how to play the game, understand the basic bets which offer the best odds, and stick with those bets. Betting systems which involve raising and lowering your bets based on some arbitrary criteria are a bad idea, because they don’t affect your chances of winning. Best Low Roller Craps System is a craps strategy using a pass line bet and then placing either 3, 2, or 1x odds on the point depending on the number.

It’s no surprise that multitudes of strategies have been developed around place betting the (6) & (8) as these numbers give the craps player one of the be best advantages of beating the casinos. First of all, both the (6) and the (8) are the numbers likely to roll most often, next to the (7). There are 5 ways to roll (6), 5 ways to roll an (8), and 6 ways to roll a (7). Level Off Bet Progression. Understanding the craps streaks is essential for ensuring consistent profits and avoiding significant damages to your bankroll. Despite being extremely popular, the Martingale betting system is notorious for exposing your bankroll to unnecessary risks unless you have unlimited funds to wager.

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There is no advantage playing dice based craps. Period.
As a money management tool, I usually stop betting don't and don't come after a shooter takes down 3 of my bets with odds. (I don't count come out bets). I never switch, just wait for next shooter.
This does not give any advantage. Just gives me a little longer at the table.
DeMango
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Try this link to 'Dave's System' Good read. Good system. He doesn't throw. But he has been 86'd by one casino for winning too much!
https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1AOHY_enUS708US708&espv=2&biw=1280&bih=685&q=%22Dave%27s+System%22&spell=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiM7rjQ-r_RAhXDPCYKHTmhARMQvwUIFygA
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
Playinnow
Thanks Wrongway I need to add this to how I am playing, I suspected those who have tried the systems would have good feedback on when to stop and live to play another day.
LuckyPhow

Try ... 'Dave's System' Good read. Good system. He doesn't throw. But he has been 86'd by one casino for winning too much!


DeMan,
Many thanx for sharing. If any 'system' can go toe-to-toe against the casino, Dave's System shaves the casino edge to about as close to zero as one can get.
When I play craps, I often favor playing the Don't bets. But, I also like the shared camaraderie by betting with everyone when the table is hot. So, rather than do either, I usually do neither. But, I wonder why everyone doesn't shoot from the Don't side and crush the casino.
As for yourself, do you favor playing one side or the other? Or, are you a true craps agnostic?
WatchMeWin

I recently watched the Wizard of Odds videos detailing how he plays the Don't Pass/Don't Come bets. I have been trying the system at a free online site and wonder if there isn't a point at which you stop the process of betting Don't Come, seems that when there is a hot shooter you are constantly repeating the Don't Come bets and eventually lose. Is there a limit to how many times a shooter hits a number that I should then stop Don't Come bets?
Thanks still looking for the advantage.


Good luck on this forum with talking about a 'hot table' ! lol
'Winners hit n run... Losers stick around'
DeMango


As for yourself, do you favor playing one side or the other? Or, are you a true craps agnostic?


I need to shoot from the don't, it's the way to go.

Craps Betting Strategy Don't Come

5 years ago I was at an IP table and someone was playing 'Dave's System' I, of course, asked him if he was dave. He said no, but 'Bobby Bones' has become my best craps buddy. He needs to shoot from the don't also. We will get there.
When a rock is thrown into a pack of dogs, the one that yells the loudest is the one who got hit.
FleaStiff

I need to shoot from the don't, it's the way to go.

I often think so. I like it when the stick says 'From the Don't, hoping they won't' and some people walk away from the table or quite obviously groan.
I had been on the Don't for about twenty minutes when the dice came to me and one young girl was utterly shocked that I stayed on the Don't when I was the shooter.
Now I will admit.... between Do and Don't it ain't much ... you gotta take it out to four decimal places, so it sure isn't much of an advantage. And since I generally tip well, hence the 'stiff' part of my moniker, that four-decimal-place 'edge' sure disappears. I also tend to reward the Tray Lizard to compensate for the calouses on her feet, so any 'edge' disappears there too.
But I sure do like the Don'ts. I feel like I'm betting with the Casino... and that is surely as close I will ever get to owning a casino.
Don't Pass then two Don't Come but also Place the Six and Eight. All Line Bets get Odds asap. Odds are always 'working'. Dealers are in the game on my first bet and dealers get shoes too.
Laymedown

I recently watched the Wizard of Odds videos detailing how he plays the Don't Pass/Don't Come bets. I have been trying the system at a free online site and wonder if there isn't a point at which you stop the process of betting Don't Come, seems that when there is a hot shooter you are constantly repeating the Don't Come bets and eventually lose. Is there a limit to how many times a shooter hits a number that I should then stop Don't Come bets?
Thanks still looking for the advantage.


I see quite a few scenario's from people betting both sides.
First off if you went to the casino and the craps table min was $15 (Too rich for some people)
You can bet $15 on the DP and $15 on the Pass then bet 5.00 for odds in behind either DP or Pass ($1.00 on the 12 crap for insurance)
I think why people bet both sides is simply because they want to be cheap by betting much less than the min bet.
Second, DC/COME is good because you can bet $15 on the DC and $15 on the COME then bet 5.00 for odds on the come bet ($1.00 on the 12 crap for insurance)
If you think about it if you place the 6 or 8 for 6.00 pays 7 to 6 odds winning $1.00 extra but you have an extra $1.00 at risk when placing.
By betting both DC and PASS, you only put $5.00 on the COME odds and still make $1.00 but that $1.00 you put on the 12 crap that pays 30 to 1 so you lose the COME bet, DC gets Bar, 12 craps pays $30.00 minus $15 lost on the COME bet, still makes 15 profit. That's just the 6,8. The 4,10 pay even more so you can make even on your COME odds and invest the profit in the center bets and hope for a win, After all it's free betting.
There are many advantages. You just need to look for them.
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odiousgambit
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I see quite a few scenario's from people betting both sides.
First off if you went to the casino and the craps table min was $15 (Too rich for some people)
You can bet $15 on the DP and $15 on the Pass then bet 5.00 for odds in behind either DP or Pass ($1.00 on the 12 crap for insurance)
I think why people bet both sides is simply because they want to be cheap by betting much less than the min bet.

Lmdown, Do you know how many people are wondering if you are 'for real'? You produce an absolute storm of words, thousands a day just here, my God I'd get tired just talking that much, never mind having to write it. Sometimes you work on formatting too. Craps Betting System
But what you are writing is often very misguided, full of gambler's fallacies, and just plain wrong like that last sentence. I don't think you are trying to bait people [I wondered at first] so it seems you think you are making sense. You are not! You are coming across as a Craps enthusiast who can't find anything not to like as long as it involves Craps.
This site is about smarter gambling. There is little sign that you are 'with the program'. I guess you don't have to be, but if you do all that reading etc. seems to me you might care ... it's time to not just read but to try for some comprehension too!
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I think why people bet both sides is simply because they want to be cheap by betting much less than the min bet

Betting both sides increases the amount you are betting. The two bets *do not* cancel each other out! Each bet you make has an undefeatable EV attached to it and no negative expectation bet can cancel out another! I'm sorry but this shows you are not learning anything though presumably reading everything! You should just know these things by now [I can't use another exclamation pt. but that needs one too]

Second, DC/COME is good because you can bet $15 on the DC and $15 on the COME then bet 5.00 for odds on the come bet ($1.00 on the 12 crap for insurance)

Read my paragraph above again and ask yourself why you are advocating this. Have you not come across the advice not to hedge?
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If you think about it if you place the 6 or 8 for 6.00 pays 7 to 6 odds winning $1.00 extra but you have an extra $1.00 at risk when placing. By betting both DC and PASS, you only put $5.00 on the COME odds and still make $1.00 but that $1.00 you put on the 12 crap that pays 30 to 1 so you lose the COME bet, DC gets Bar, 12 craps pays $30.00 minus $15 lost on the COME bet, still makes 15 profit.

Can you really defend using words like 'profit' ?

That's just the 6,8. The 4,10 pay even more so you can make even on your COME odds and invest the profit in the center bets and hope for a win, After all it's free betting.

Profit. Free betting. My man, you have a long ways to go. Show some evidence you are getting there.
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There are many advantages. You just need to look for them.

Very fine words. The casinos should hire you and indeed pay you by the word to go around and mislead people at these sites. You won't get suspended here for that but I for one will just have to block you and these threads even though I don't like to block Craps threads. Please get real.
the next time Dame Fortune toys with your heart, your soul and your wallet, raise your glass and praise her thus: “Thanks for nothing, you cold-hearted, evil, damnable, nefarious, low-life, malicious monster from Hell!” She is, after all, stone deaf. ... Arnold Snyder

If you master the skill of constructing the craps bet patterns effectively, you will have a powerful tool for keeping the advantage of the house to reasonable levels. The best approach towards consistent winning without exposing your bankroll to unnecessary risks is taking advantage of a bet progression.

Although there is a number of negative progressions that guarantee at one point you will compensate for your losses and even turn a profit, you can hardly meet a theorist or experienced player who would recommend you to double your bet when losing. On the contrary, you are advised to increase your stake only when winning.

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Having a strong understanding of streaks management guarantees profitable and trouble-free game sessions. If you do not have enough experience in playing craps, you are advised to stick to level betting sizes until you polish your skills and gain the confidence to employ a progression.

Let's draw an example of the effect a loss and a win would have on your bankroll provided that you stick with the level bet size.

Let's presume that you make a $10 bet taking double odds with points on 6 or 8. You will need about $210 to cover one number. You will not change your $10 bet if you win.

If you make a $10 on the pass line and the point is 6, but you suffer a loss the next bet should amount to $30. However, if 7 is rolled before 6, you would have lost $30, but you will be required to make the same bet. If you lose once more, you will lose a total of $60. If you lose 7 times in a row, you will lose $210 of your bankroll.

Let's see what would happen if you win. If your $10 bet is backed by double odds and the point is 6, the wager should be $30 again. If you win, your winnings will amount to $34 and you will be supposed to make another bet amounting to $10.

If you win two times in a row, you are $68 ahead. Seven consecutive wins bring you an award of $238. However, it is important to remember that you are playing only the 6 and 8. If you used points such as 4 and 10 or 5 and 9 instead of 6, you would have generated more solid winnings, while the losses would have remained the same.

For instance, if your first point was 5 and your initial wager was $10, as much as $20 in odds and a total of $30 put at risk. If you win twice in a row you would win a total of $40. Your win would amount to $50 if the points were 4 or 10.

Straight Bet Progression Variations

When you play 2 come numbers and 1 pass line, you have several options aimed at improving the standard straight bet progression.

If your winning is inconsistent and you experience wins and losses at irregular intervals, that would inevitably damage your bankroll.

In this progression, the player is required to increase the bets by $10 every time a win is registered. If the first bet wins, it means the second wager must be $20, which is considered a significant jump. If the second bet is a winning one, the third wager must be increased by 50%.

In case the third bet is also a winning one, the fourth must be $40 or 33%. Basically, you are increasing at a decreasing rate. The first increase of 100% is the only one that is more significant.

However, the combination of double odds and line bet is considered a pretty aggressive one. If your initial bet was $10 and the double odds amount to $20, the entire bet totals $30.

Keeping the size of your bet relatively the same leads to the following progression: 10pr-15pt-20pt-25pt, etc.

You are still able to scoop a decent reward during a winning streak and the impact of the chopping dice would be decreased.

Increase Bets Only When the Point is Made

Some players who have considerable experience in playing craps suggest a bit of an unusual approach towards bet progressions. They regard every bet as an individual one no matter whether it is a pass line or a come. In case the bet is a winning one, the next bet is increased. If the second bet is also a winning one, the third is further increased. The losing bets are not increased until winnings are generated.

However, some other players consider that approach too aggressive because in order to show a profit, one needs to enter a pretty long winning streak. The faster you increase your bet, the more aggressive your strategy is.

You should consider increasing your wager when a point is made provided that you play a pass line bet with 2 come numbers. Then, the next bet is increased and if you follow the aforementioned progression $10-$15-$20-$25, the second bet should be $15, but the come bets remain at $10.

However, as the come bets repeat, they should also be increased in order to match the pass line bet. In case the come bets are repeated before the pass line wins, they are increased to $15 to match the pass line bet.

If the point is repeated once again, the next bet is supposed to be $20. The come bets are also increased to $20, so they match the pass line.

This approach is regarded as an intelligent way to increase your bets, so 7 is not as such a big threat anymore.

Level Off Bet Progression

Understanding the craps streaks is essential for ensuring consistent profits and avoiding significant damages to your bankroll.

Despite being extremely popular, the Martingale betting system is notorious for exposing your bankroll to unnecessary risks unless you have unlimited funds to wager. Basically, applying the Martingale system means you have to double your bet when losing.

Let's review an anti-Martingale betting strategy where one can turn a substantial profit if they leave the winnings up.

If your first bet is $10 and it is a winning one, your second one should be $20. If you win, the third bet should be $40, etc. If you win seven times in a row, you will generate a profit of $1,270 for your $10 bet. If you continue playing, you risk losing not only your $10 bet but also all generated winnings. So, you are advised to stop playing at some point even if you believe you are having a winning streak.

The other alternative for keeping at least a part of your winnings is leveling off the size of your wager. This way, you keep a certain part of your winnings, but you have the opportunity to continue playing until a loss occurs. You are advised to level off the size of the bet after two or three winning points.

For example, you can start with a $20 bet and follow the progression $20-$30-$40-$40. If the first bet is a winning one, the second one should be $30. If you win once again, the third bet is $40. Then, you should remain $40 until the shooter rolls 7.

Bet Progression on the Don't Side

The main objective of every player who uses a progression is to prevent serious damages to their bankroll and accumulate consistent winnings. Needless to say, losing streaks inevitably occur at a certain stage of your game but many players are uncertain as to how they can progress their bets when winning on the don't side.

The first thing one should do is to choose a bet pattern.

Let's draw the following example: you place one don't pass bet followed by 2 don't come numbers. In most cases, the player establishes the three numbers, lays double odds against all three, and keeps their fingers crossed that 7 will be rolled before any of the numbers repeats. However, there is another side of the coin. If the three bets are winning, one should increase their wager to the maximum amount they have previously determined. If only two of the bets win, you have to content yourself with a lower increase.

For instance, you start your game with a $20 wager, establish 3 numbers and lay double odds on them. If the shooter sevens out and all three bets are winning, the player is enabled to increase the bet to $30. If the next bet is also a winning one, the wager jumps to $40 and remains the same until a hot roll clears the table.

However, if you lose one of the numbers in the first game before 7 is rolled, your second bet should be $25 rather than $30. If you lose two numbers in the first game before the shooter sevens out, the bet is not increased. If you lose three numbers, the next bet should be $20. In case you lose more than three numbers, you are advised to switch to pass line or discontinue your gameplay.

It is important to remember that you should protect your bankroll and keep the wagers to the minimum when the dice are not rolling in your favor.